Sounds Iranian

June 21, 2007

Khatami denies italian handshakes. What else could he do?

Udine, Italy

Mr. Khatami decided yesterday to deny the now famous handshakes with italian women and the real existence of the videos depicting the banned gestures.

As the man who inadvertendly started all this fuss by capturing the handshakes with a little camera and putting the result on the internet, I wish to say two things and thank “Sounds Iranian” for this opportunity.

First, the handshakes. I must say again that our site “La casbah di Udine” put on the web a complete video coverage of the Khatami’s visit here in Udine, Italy (may 11-12). More than 90 minutes of footage that we published on “YouTube” servers with no editing, and I reply, no editing beyond the normal 10 minutes cuts required by “You Tube” system and some amateurish scene selection. The intent to emphasize any part of the event, or body of the president, should and cannot be attributed to us.

Here comes my second point. Mr. Khatami has chosen a strange but understandable course of action. Since the video is absolutely not a fake, and the fifty thousand and counting people who saw it have no doubt about it, we imply that mr. Khatami had no choice. That iranian politics leaves no choice.

I strongly condemn and disapprove the misuse of our work, especially for political purposes. Mr. Khatami came here in Italy in the context of a cultural event which wanted to foster an atmosphere of dialogue between worlds and cultures. By filming Mr. Khatami we hoped to offer to friends of our website some more information about a country, Iran, which had (as the men called to represent it) the center stage of the kermesse and is perceived here as a little problematic. I should by now conclude that, thanks to the cooperation of people we never met, my site could not do a worst service: to mr. Khatami, the iranian people, and maybe to someone or something else.

But this dramatic conclusion, thanks God, is not the only one we can draw. We remembered last time how the scandal machine that was in some way put in motion is not producing only smog. I can only say that I hope iranian leaders like Mr Khatami will be able and willing to intercept the interesting signals emerging from the bottom also, or maybe especially, in this regrettable occasion.

But, of course, this is none of my business.

P.S. FROM “YOUTUBE” – COMMENTS TO “KHATAMI EXIT-2”

alifreedom1 (2 weeks ago)
Khatami was the head of war propagenda during Sadam-Khomeini’s war those years that media was responsible for sending children on mines.He was the head of misinstry of censorship when many novlists in Iran and Europe were terrored
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arf31 (1 week ago)
I think you are wrong. Khatami was minister in Hashemi’s cabinet which was after the war and he resigned as hardliners did not let him to work. I guess he was a member of parliment during the war.
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alifreedom1 (1 week ago)
No it seems you arf31 do not know anything about background of criminals of Iran. After Moadikhah the first guidance and censorship(Ersah) minister were sent off(because of being caught with his secretary in his room)during Mosavai’s cabinet Khatami was sent from Islamic parliament to the minister of censorship (Ersha) whilst was the head of Kehayn newspaper and head of war advertisement(rais Tabigat jang) his later assistance Abtahi was also the head of radio during war.
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alifreedom1 (1 week ago)
Khatami because of close relationship he and his brother had with Khomeini’s family and assistance of Beheshti was trussed by Khomeini,Khameni and Rafsanjani, hence Rafsanjani again kept him for another 6 years for that ministry(totally around 14 years he was the mistier).Although Hoveda sent him and Behesthi to Hamoboug islmic Kanon. Khatami could secure Hoveyda but instead praised Khalkhali who killed Hoveyda (Like praising the Lajevardi).Do not be a fool by his fox smile
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persianmilad (1 week ago)
in kheili khoobe ke to hadde aghal be fekre taghyiri, vali be nazaram dari rahe eshtebah ro miri refigh. Farghe to ba amsale behnoud o nabavi ine ke oona vaghe’iyate jeme’e ro fahmidan vali to na. oona be donbale oon chizi hastan ke mitoonim behesh beresim
na oon chizi ke mikhaymesh hame vali omran behesh nemiresim. dar zemn aghalan goftmane democracy ro re’ayat konim bad nist.
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alifreedom1 (1 week ago)
Na janam, behound va Nabavi fagat dounbale poul hastand, shoma agar neveshtahye behound ra az chand sale pish bekhanid mifahmid ke ch gadr zedo nagiz ast.Anha narahatand ke mabada in regime zede bashari az beyn beravd va sahmiye garadadhaye egtesadi rafsanajni az anha gerefeh shavad
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persianmilad (1 week ago)
man az in mitarsam ke mabada agar regime i ke to mikhay roo kar biyad amsale behnoud o nabavi ro be jorme mozdoor boodan bendaze zendan! hamoon kari ke amsale shariat madari mikonan! man taghriban tamaame karaye behnoud va nabavi ro az aval khoondam. taghyire jahat tooye siyasat agar baese bolooghe siyasi beshe hich eshkali nadare. ina ro ham faghat be onvane mesal avordam.
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alifreedom1 (1 week ago)
na doust aziz,kasi anha ra be zendan nemiandazd fagat million ha dolari ke comapny haye nafti be anha dadand ra say mikoinm tagazaye esterdad konim,choun ingard fagr ba komak godfathereshan,khatami va Rafsanajni poul bala keshidand va be hamas va hezbolah dadand,chenan keshvar ra be naboudi bourdand ke bayad keshvar ra besazim.Anha ham ba poule dozdi mardoun dar sharhaye zibaye Europe ta akhar omr mimanand va be iran nemiayand.Non be nerkh rooz khori nabavi va behound neshane tagir nist
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persianmilad (1 week ago)
Man fekr mikonam tanha rahe ma ba tavajoh be zarfiyate jame’e hamoon eslahate (hatta agar doostesh nadashte bashim). in jodast az khatami o amsale khatami. eslahat ye process e. za’fhaye khaatami ham ghabool. vali ma mardom ham 8 saal too khoone neshastim… man fek mikonam khatami marde bozorgi bood vali na ye president e bozorg.
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alifreedom1 (1 week ago)
Khahesh mikonam sabegh Khatami dar dahe aval khomeinism ra khoub bekhan badan khahi did ke ishan be onvane rais tabligat zaman jang va rais shora engelab farhangi(tatili daneshgah va ekhraj astid va daneshjouha) va be onvan vazir ershad cheha ke nakardeh,farib labkhand in roubah ra nakhorid lotfan
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SirIanFleming (2 weeks ago)
Khatami was one of the greatest world leaders of the last several decades.
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check9264 (1 week ago)
He was much better that Antarinejad.
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ghazal48 (1 week ago)
i’m realy agree with you. I think hi is a great man.
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saman6284 (2 weeks ago)
He was nothing but a coward liar. His false hopes to the nation caused all the political activists in Iran get arrested and he never supported them.
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roozbeh1383 (1 week ago)
you are big fucker stupid man
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Shantoos (2 weeks ago)
WOW he shook hands with a woman, he surely is a cultural personality
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meCyber (1 week ago)
He has a great personality, I think people miss-understood his promises. We Iranians always like someone who makes a miracle, as we live in dreams and not reality.
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ebrahim12 (1 week ago)
I admire his new gesture for shaking hand with women, something that is not being practiced in Iran right now. But in the mean time I want to criticize him for his fear of talking about the truth!
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AliSanaei83 (1 week ago)
THIS IS KHATAMI
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ghazal48 (1 week ago)
hi is realy a great man. meCyber is right… Iranians want always the best thing in short time.
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kiyannuri (1 week ago)
fuck you khatami… free iran
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iraniancupid (1 week ago)
may God bless Khatami and Eslahat Coalition
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keyvan85 (1 week ago)
he kissed one guy 4 times, twice on each cheek, that is more outrageous!! lol
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hsuae (1 week ago)
ey wal
tahala akhoond be in bahali dide boodi !!!
he’s a great man
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undertow7 (1 week ago)
indafe dige mammad khali band gir oftad! jannati dare eshgho hal mikone
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mahanami (1 week ago)
that’s interesting. Excelent. hope him all the best
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pbehmand (1 week ago)
In akhond HARAMZADEH bood, hast va KHAHAAD bood. Terrorist ra dar har lebassy mitavan penhaan kard vali hich lebassy barazandegehi terrorist ra nadarad magar abba va ammameh akhondy.
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Shayn911 (1 week ago)
Boro enghad kossher nagoo dadash. Khatami tanha kessi bood ke hadaghal ye khoorde be in mamlekate kiri moon resid .
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aryashahin (1 week ago)
very true
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pbehmand (1 week ago)
Khaak bar sar_e shoma konand ke nemifahmeed Mamlekaat ” dolaat” nist. Khak bar sar_e shoma konand ke nemifahmeed lyaghatetaan az amsal_e khatami bishtar ast. Khak bar sar_e shoma konand ke nemifahmeed ” dekhalat_e mardom dar dolaat HAGH ast na ejazeh”. Omid daram ke khar fahm shodeed.
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aminmkl (1 week ago)
khodet kossher nagoo koone mamlekato hamin khatamiye madarjende o amsalesh baraye hejab daran pareh mikonan pedaremoon o dar ovordan hala vase man zerto pert mikoni ? badbakht ina amsale shoma ro daran paskari mikonan az khab khargooshi boland sho dige !
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pbehmand (1 week ago)
Khaak bar sar_e shoma konand ke nemifahmeed Mamlekaat ” dolaat” nist. Khak bar sar_e shoma konand ke nemifahmeed lyaghatetaan az amsal_e khatami bishtar ast. Khak bar sar_e shoma konand ke nemifahmeed ” dekhalat_e mardom dar dolaat HAGH ast na ejazeh”. Omid daram ke khar fahm shodeed.
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ceo2008 (1 week ago)
Khatami = devil disguised
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bnzh (1 week ago)
I beg you to take this off of this site, They are using it against Khatami,
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goozeitoutnow (1 week ago)
Exactly, everyone hates Khatami.
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satch3000 (1 week ago)
مردکه متظاهر کثيف
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roozbeh1383 (1 week ago)
i realy proud of the best politision during the history of iran mr.khatami foreever………
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roozbeh1383 (1 week ago)
khatami behtarin va aziztarin marde irane
khatami dooset darim be koorie cheshme hasoodat
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shirokhorshid (1 week ago)
khatami cheshet koor, dalghake seyyede ma, khandano dajjaliatet joor!!
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sh13582002 (1 week ago)
we are small for such a big men.
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aminmkl (1 week ago)
yes all right . your brain is small for understand his hoax . khatami=hoaxman
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alifreedom1 (1 week ago)
I am seek of this two face charlatan today Khatami denied and said I did not shake hand with any woman look what kinds of liar and charlatan he is.He is not a man to say why I should not shake hand with women who are our mothers our sisters our daughter.Akhond is more racist than hitler
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spidye2007 (1 week ago)
khoshhalam keh ishan salah va aberuye mardome iran ra be yavehguiha tgarjih dadan.
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rezamit (1 week ago)
ma cheghadr ahmaghim ke fekremon shode dast dadan ya nadadan….jedi ha….?!
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alifreedom1 (1 week ago)
دفترخاتمي در جوابيه خود آورده است در حرمت لمس بدن نامحرم بدون ستر و نيز در اين كه در شرع انور حرمت و وجوب اولي به عنوان ثانوي تا بقاء عنوان مي تواند مرتفع شود ترديد نبايد كرد
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alifreedom1 (1 week ago)
ترديد نبايد كرد ولي آنچه با تصويرپردازي مشكوك با غرض يا هر انگيزه ديگر نشر يافته تا مصافحه آقاي خاتمي را با اجنبيه القاء كند خلاف شرع و اخلاق است و تكذيب مي شود
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alifreedom1 (1 week ago)
Bebindi che martikeh charlatan va doroui ast.Khak ba sar edei dastmal be dast mesle Masoud Behnoud,Ehsan Naraghi, Shirn Ebadi va Nourizadeh ke koun khatami ra lis mizanand barye yek tike ostokhoun ke company-haye nafti jeloshan bendazad
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thuderbay (1 week ago)
what’s the big deal,ok he shook hands with some ladies,now what?
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alifreedom1 (1 week ago)
He eat shit, when he is president of country for 8 years where the young are being beaten at streets for only showing thier hair, but those dirty mullhas can do any dirty job (kesafatkari) like sigeh and flirting with women in west,first allow Iraniand to have freedom then they can come back to thier Hozihe emilha and do one another
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method007 (4 days ago)
I think it is forbidden to shake hands with females in that part of the world!!
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VIEWER4ALL (3 days ago)
heif az vaghti ke baraye tamashayey in shayad gozashtam .monafeghin az koffar ham badtarand
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alifreedom1 (3 days ago)
kesafat az giyafeh in mullah shayad mirizad khak bar sar anha ke be khater gardadhye nafti az in martikeh colah barda khatami douzd ke ba poule douzdi va khoun mardoum ba havapeyma shaksi in mosaferat ha ra miravad,rohat shad fereydoun farokhzad yek mah gabl az margash be amsali mesle Behnoud va Ebrahim Nabavi goft, adam behtar ast tanash ra befroushad vali faheshe magzi nabashad
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zoha520 (3 days ago)
This video shouldnot have been posted!!… Those who suport Khatami plz report it…

I dont know even if this video is right or not…even if itis true,i still suport him anyways…i mean common, shaking hand is the normalest greeting!..its just that Iran is diffrent from the rest of the world..or i better say Islam is!…not that i dont respect Islam (I am a muslim girl myself)…its just that some of the rules in Islam is too much!…
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Cojpe (1 day ago)
zoha520 if ur really muslim girl u should go behind those high walls of your husbands/fathers property and leave your man deal with outside world.
If u dont like it that way, change religion.
I agree that islam is “too much”=D
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zoha520 (1 day ago)
why do u say so? ya, I am muslim and i always can be with my dream man…besdies,the walls u r talking about aint as hight as it might seem…
its too much caz of the rules..like wearing scarf..or not shaking hand,stuff like that…the thing is that what Islam talks about is so true that icant ignore thm n i belive in them deeply so i have to follow the rules since i belive in Islam itself…
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Cojpe (15 hours ago)
Than hold that “truth” of yours and don’t send no comments, let your man do that 4 u=D
btw, I know exactly how high those walls r, tell that (low walls, we r all the same or the funniest1 secular/moderate mislim) story 4 western christians.
I am an serb, know your kind=D
JC I believe you are an 50yo sheep stinkin muslim from iran or so… recievin money 2 talk muslim sh1t on web, tryn 2 create better picture 4 your fanatic, suicide, in expansion religion:))))))
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zoha520 (14 hours ago)
u just dont get it..not ur fault its ur brain that dosnt take it 😉 lolzz..
Just so u know…i didnt say those words to fool anyone!.i dont care who u r or where u r from..I belive in Islam n i do obey the rules which seem logical to me with strong profe!

(the last 3 lines show how idiot u are!..so i dont even bother to discuss no that)
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curst666 (3 days ago)
You’re all a bunch of idiots! the one person in the government who is trying to open up you try to burn him down! even if it’s for personal power do you really think he is worse than Ahmadinejad or Khamenei? what is the difference between a woman with hejab or without? he is thinking out of the box! that’s why he is burning for it!
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alifreedom1 (2 days ago)
محمد خاتمی، رييس جمهوری سابق ايران، فيلم منتشرشده ای که او را در حال دست دادن به چند زن ايتاليايی نشان می دهد، «مونتاژ و غير اخلاقی» خواند
Liar liar , this film is real, why you say lie,why shaking hand with women who are our sisters,mothers,doghter must be bad that Khatmi says this film is edited and he never shake hand with women,see what dirty minds these Mullahs have
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drdivooneh (2 days ago)
Atleast there are women who want to shake hand with him , but who wants to shake hands with stinky ugly Ahmadinejad ??
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drdivooneh (2 days ago)
Alifreedom , do you have to have comments about everybodies comment ?! Stop writing comments , you make this page very very long . He is the one still respected outside the country by educated ppl .
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bottomlineupfront (2 days ago)
I admire him for shaking hands with all people who admire him, male and female. Neither did anything wrong.
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alifreedom1 (1 day ago)
he denied why? is he a liar?why he denied shaking hand with ladies who are our mothers, sisiters?
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TruthLover14 (1 day ago)
This foul jester is only pleased to dance in sync of those western beasts.
His has no sense of humanity, not knowledge nor mind.
Shame be upon this false clergy and his stupid supporters specialy that dark minded Dr Divouneh (You are really Divouneh)!
I hate you both.
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VTechGirl9 (1 day ago)
What is the problem with him shaking hands with supporters? If he comes to western countries then he must adhere to our cultural standards and our cultural norms dictate that you shake hands. He was being respectful to our culture, which is more than you can say for some of his colleagues.
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TruthLover14 (14 hours ago)
Coipe and zoha520!
I really don’t wanna intervene your two sided chats.
But I think you guys both are suffering from a kind of misunderstanding about Islam.
You should both study about Islam and judge it with honesty and if some claims to be muslim then he should believe all of it totally.
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zoha520 (14 hours ago)
well, as i said i believe in Islam..but sth like not being allowed to shake hands sounds kinda redicules to me..tell me why its not allowed if u know the answer
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TruthLover14 (14 hours ago)
Well, I’m not a religion expert. I’m a simple university student and as I told u you should search for truthyourself and find it.
but i think if a muslim presidnt who is wearing the clothing of our holy messenger shake hand with a stranger girl without any rational reason then what we may expect about the rest of the peolple then they may think that if a muslim president can shake hands with a sranger girl so it is not bad for us to …
And this way corruption grows between people.
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TruthLover14 (14 hours ago)
And one more thing.
I don’t know whether you heard of his second film in which he is talking to a girl who is wearing a short skirt and their legs are clung together!!!
What do you think of this one? Is it OK?!
God knows what is going to happen in his third film.
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ibayli (13 hours ago)
shame on you fanatics Muslim you destroyed our country our culture and made Iran as primitive country sham on you

Via Iran Via Persia
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pduguay (3 hours ago)
I agree with you. You people hide your sexual insecurity, sexism, and fears behind Islam. You are ignorant people, the same as right-wing Christians in America. Man and woman were created by God. Man and woman compliment one another. Not all contact between them should be interpreted as sexual, or indecent.

I cannot wait for Persia to be free of these Fascists who pervert a true religion.
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lorens779 (12 hours ago)
in agha sage sefide..sag keh siyah u sefid nadare!!!!akhond yani khanom baz.
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owzhan (10 hours ago)
I say this s…hole must be ex-communicated along with all other mollas.
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samxiv (10 hours ago)
khob kard dast dad, yeki ham ke miyad baraton eftekhar kasb kone intor bahash raftar mikonid?
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lexatri (8 hours ago)
too saresh bokhoreh oon eftekhari keh een charlatan two-face mikhad baraye kesi beeyareh!
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ron19661966 (9 hours ago)
plz think twice before condemning him, its not unanimously accepted as forbidden even between islamic clerics, to shake hand with a stranger woman, especially when it might have been implicated as rude behavior
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soransoran (8 hours ago)
In mardar jende bazam Goh kari kard. Doro ,Mozawer, Motaghalleb, Namard
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mjantube (2 hours ago)
baba ye daste kochooloo dado zad be chak, asemoon ke zamin nayoomad.
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CG125x (2 hours ago)
In hameh mamlekate mam moshkel dare hamaro faramoosh kardan dast dadan aghaie khatami ro chasbidan ,va aghar yek dafe yek nafar ham say mikoneh aberooye maro bekhare in ahmagha miparan behesh ………..
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8 Comments »

  1. […] fake.This video film was visited by 61000 people on You Tube.The Italian man who has made this film,says the film is real and explains his point of view in Sounds Iranian. Share […]

    Pingback by Global Voices Online » Iran:Khatami says he did not shake hands,really? — June 21, 2007 @ 8:37 pm

  2. First of all – welcome to Sounds Iranian, and ‘mille grazie’ for your willingness to discuss the Khatami affair openly with us in this forum.

    The recent events, to my mind, reflect the mind-boggling interconnectedness of the world today. Who would have guessed that one short video from Italy could have such a disruptive effect in both Iran and the global Iranian/Muslim diaspora.

    None of this could have been happened, it seems, without the incredibly recent changes in digital media technology that we already take for granted. The form and the content are now blurred.

    To add some life to this thread, I’d be interested in hearing about three aspects of the whole issue in some more detail:

    One, to our new Italian colleague, what was the basic premise of Khatami’s visit to Udine, and how did the video get filmed, then posted?

    Two – to anyone who’s been reading the Iranian press – what has been the nature and extent of the reaction to the affair in Iran?

    Three – to everyone – what do you think the political consequences of Khatami’s apparent impending trial could be (if any)? What lessons about the impact of digital media can we draw from this particular event?

    All new posts and comments are welcome.

    -J

    Comment by Jordan — June 22, 2007 @ 12:35 am

  3. they should have shoved that pisa (spelling) tower up his arse.

    Comment by Dr koloft — June 23, 2007 @ 8:24 am

  4. Hi Mr.Orma
    Please be aware that not doing something that would have negative effects on Mr. Khatami.
    He is open minded, friendly, peacemaker politician.
    Minority group in Iran are against his manner and majority believe that he didn’t do anything wrong.
    People in Iran still look at him as a hero. Somebody who can finally bring peace to Middle East.
    So, please do not faint this hope and finish this ridiculous story.
    Thanks
    Amin

    Comment by amin — June 23, 2007 @ 6:06 pm

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  6. […] Khatami shaking hands part II Khatami shaking hands part III La casbah di Udine web site […]

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    – Past & Future
    – Friends and Social Life
    – Dining and Vacation
    Requirements for Rosetta Stone User Workstations
    – Windows 2000, XP, VISTA
    – 512 MB RAM
    – 1 GHz or faster processor speed
    – 600 MB free hard-drive space (per level)
    – 16-bit sound card
    – 800 x 600 display resolution (1024 x 768 recommended)
    – Internet or phone connection required for product activation
    – Speech recognition feature requires a headset microphone (USB recommended)

    Note for Microsoft? Windows Vista^(TM) users:

    Current Rosetta Stone? products have been engineered to install and run on the Windows Vista operating system. Some 3rd party components used in Rosetta Stone products have not been certified by Microsoft as ‘Vista Compliant’. Accordingly, you may encounter some Vista -related operating issues. Rosetta Stone technical support may or may not be able to resolve these Vista-related issues. Rosetta Stone hereby disclaims any representations, warranties, guaranties and conditions with respect to the compatibility of the Rosetta Stone products with the Windows Vista operating systems.
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